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Richard Friedel and breathing exercises for asthma, part 1.

Okay, so. First of all: I’m irritated from some minor but vexing personal issues going on in RL at the moment, and therefore my Inner Bitch is out in force. Expect snark. You have been warned.

Second: I freely admit that I hold a very dim view of so-called complimentary and alternative medicine (CAM). CAM wonks didn’t do anything for my grandmother except lighten her wallet as her blood pressure and diabetes spiralled out of control ten years ago, eventually landing her in the hospital. CAM does nothing for Mom’s osteoarthritis (though its practitioners are only too eager to subtract zeroes from her bank account). CAM antivaxers made a childhood friend of mine’s parents forgo his vaccines, and he caught pertussis, nearly died, and suffers permanent lung damage to this day. I have many reasons to dislike CAM and none to like it. To say I hold an unfavorable opinion of it would be like saying that the sun is a light source. Strictly speaking, it’s true, but not necessarily accurate in the scope of the issue. I despise CAM. I’ve seen it do absolutely no good for anyone, but a great deal of harm to people I care about greatly. And I’m not alone in this.

So, with that in mind:

There’s this guy going around on lung forums and blogs calling himself Richard Friedel. He claims that asthma is caused by improper breathing, and that by learning the breathing style of the “Asiatic martial arts” and taking homeopathy, asthma can be treated effectively. He’s even posted on mine on two different posts but he appears to have given up on me once he realized that I wasn’t buying his woo du jour.

At first, I figured he was harmless but rather misguided and attempted to set him right by providing various links to reputable sources about asthma. When he came out with a few tactics that I recognize from creationists on Youtube and alt-med types on some of the medical and skeptic blogs I read (including Respectful Insolence, which is right up my interesting-science-mixed-with-ascerbic-sarcasm-alley. *plug plug* For the record: I have no affiliation with Science Blogs or with Orac, the author of Respectful Insolence. I’m just a huge fan and their science and skeptic content is top-notch), I realized that I was dealing with an alt-meder. I did a quick google search, and found that he posts essentially the same comment, cut-and-paste, in many other places (you can find them if you’re curious by Google searching “Richard Friedel asthma” – I refuse to link to them and increase their Google standing).

So, for the record, I’ll address and debunk his comments and rebuttals (with additions I didn’t have time to look up then) to the best of my ability (keep in mind, peeps, that I’m not a medical professional and you should double-check any of this with a doctor).1

His stuff is in red italics. My comments in black, normal text.

A relevant but strangely ignored or not generally known fact

Ahh, the ol’ Pharma Conspiracy gambit. If people don’t know about this it’s because they’re covering it up. If there’s no coverup, it’s because they’re too close-minded. And if they’re not close-minded, it’s because it’s too cutting-edge for plebes like the experts in the field.

about asthma is that the change between weak (asthmatic) and strong (healthy) breathing is dependent on abdominal muscle tension.

What? No. Asthma is caused by airway constriction. Your abs have nothing to do with it!

Slackening the muscles here causes abysmally weak and asthmatic breathing.

Asthmatic breathing in true asthma is caused by a combination of three things: airway inflammation (swelling), spasm of the muscles surrounding the airways (bronchospasm) and excess phlegm production. Not, I repeat, the abs.

Training the muscles, for example by “abdominal hollowing” (see Web articles) produces an antiasthmatic effect.

Despite my request, “see Web articles” was the closest he got to citing a source for this statement. In fact, numerous studies have been done on breathing excercises, and no solid evidence has been shown either way, and the studies that have been done on methods such as the Buteyko Breathing Technique have flaws that need to be addressed (specifically, the fact that none of the previous studies have used any sort of objective measure for measuring improvement, such as breathing tests) before a firm decision can be made on the idea. Further compounding the matter is that most of the breathing techniques are not standardized in their application.

Abdominal muscle tension plays a prominent part in Asiatic martial arts.

Yes, but I fail to see how this is relevent.

I tend to breathe asthmatically after an evening meal. Breathing powerfully into my lower abdomen with tensed muscles provides an effective cure for me.

This is called a “testimonial.” It’s by far the least reliable form of evidence for anything, because a number of factors can put it into error: recall bias, confirmation bias, placebo effect, and just plain making stuff up.

But then I’ve always been sceptical about medical wisdom on asthma.

Translation: I believe in my alt-med ideas and no evidence to the contrary will sway me!

And, finally, I’d just like to warn everyone that this guy’s going around, and if you see him, please, please, please be sure to debunk his stuff as well as you know how, or at least refer people on the site in question to actually reliable sites – stuff like this can really hurt people, by causing noncompliance with medication and associated poor asthma control (heck my cousin nearly fell victim to this type of thing – tried homeopathy and chiropractic only to control her asthma and allergies for a while and ended up hospitalized for two weeks for her troubles thanks to status asthmaticus… Here’s the scary thing: she’s a mild persistent asthmatic. If it can happen to her, it can happen to any asthmatic, and I don’t want it to happen to even one person because of this guy or anyone like him).

1See my disclaimer. I am not, and have never been a medical professional. Discuss any concerns about your treatment regimen with a qualified medical professional, not some freak on the ‘net.

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  1. January 25, 2011 at 6:29 pm | #1

    Excellent post! I get so tired of these quacks ripping people off.

    • Sarah
      January 25, 2011 at 7:26 pm | #2

      Thanks.

      Alt-med is one of the very, very few things that can get me frothing at the mouth, cursing and throwing things mad. I don’t get angry easily. I used to have anger issues as a kid (long story there), but I’ve learned how to deal. Alt-med wonks, though, can still get me riled up enough to have to go do something else lest I damage something. Mainly because most of the people I know have been either directly or indirectly harmed by alt-med BS – myself included.

  2. January 25, 2011 at 7:11 pm | #3

    I agree with Steve, excellent post!

    Hmm…status asthmaticus…I learned something today. I think I might have had this twice, both times landing me in express care. Heck, the last one the express care staff thought I was having a heart attack. They were having a tough time figuring how to treat me. For some reason, they gave me the impression they did not know much about asthma.

    • Sarah
      January 25, 2011 at 7:33 pm | #4

      I may have had it a few times as a kid. Thankfully not since I entered elementary school. Mom talks of me having silent chest as if it were about a monthly occurance when I was a kid, and I apparently was bad enough to become cyanotic several times.

      Luckily, I haven’t had a really, really bad attack since I was six or so. :)

  3. Natasha
    January 25, 2011 at 9:46 pm | #5

    Great post, thanks.

  4. January 26, 2011 at 4:06 am | #6

    As a respiratory therapist myself, I hear a lot of my patients ask if there are any breathing exercises they can do to “fix” their COPD (emphysema) or their asthma. I just smile at them and say, “Well, there isn’t any ‘breathing exercises’ that will help your lungs. But general exercise makes everything else work better and more efficiently – including your lungs.”

    Then they look at me so pitifully because I don’t have a magic bullet to offer them. It’s the same way with people who try to quit smoking. They try every voo-doo thing out there, instead of just knuckling down, getting serious about it and quitting.

    I’m so glad you didn’t fall for it. But for every one of you, there’s tons of others who will give it a shot. Sad, really. This is why I have a love/hate relationship with the internet. Lots of people get help, but even more probably get misguided information and end up spending money they don’t have. Lots of snake oil salesmen out there.

    Tim the RRT

    • January 27, 2011 at 7:58 pm | #7

      Which actually is something I’ve commented about on news sites, and I might do a post about at some point: I think the internet is a very important tool in health education. Those who recommend people don’t consult the internet at all are stuck in the last century. Sure, even in the ’90s, most people (at least where I’m from) didn’t think of the net as the go-to place for answering questions, but now, people do.

      Medical professionals need to recognize this fact and take the initiative to direct their patients to reputable websites. Likewise, schools should take the initiative to educate students on how to recognize a reputable, reliable website from a disreputable, dishonest site (which unfortunately is getting harder as the snake oil salespeople out there get better at apeing legitimate sites).

      Apologies if I’m less than pefectly clear right now. I have a cold, which required some sudafed to make the evil gnome in my sinuses settle down, and Sudafed tends to make me feel like I’m drunk. I don’t know why, but I react badly to it. But given my choice between feeling drunk and being floored by bad sinus pain, I’ll take feeling drunk – especially if I have some programming for work to do, since feeling drunk somehow makes debugging less maddening. :P

  5. Shereen
    January 28, 2011 at 6:24 am | #8

    Hi Sarah,
    I have a question for you if thats okay. Over the past 4 months whenever I get tight chested and short of breath, I use a high number of ventolin puffs all at once to avoid a flare. Ranging from 4 to 6. And thats seems to help, but I was just wondering is it safe to do that?

    • January 28, 2011 at 12:33 pm | #9

      Hi Shereen,

      As I’ve said elsewhere on this blog, I’m not a medical professional, and therefore I’m not qualified to answer that question. I’d suggest you call up your pharmacist or have a talk with your doctor about that. It’s their job to answer those sorts of questions. :)

      Also, if you have to use a lot of ventolin, I’d suggest you have a talk with your doctor about your asthma control. It could be that you’re not on good enough control medicine, but that’s something your doctor has to decide.

      Have a good day!

  6. Amy
    January 28, 2011 at 9:38 pm | #10

    It’s hard to pinpoint what drives me most crazy about stuff like this or Andrew Wakefield and the celebrities who promote his ridiculousness. There’s just so much to choose from, you know? Probably, though, it’s the predatory nature of these quacks. The way they rely on people’s fear and desperation to promote their own unproven and medically dangerous agendas or, in the case of Wakefield, to make money, is just unconscionable and disgusting.

    • January 28, 2011 at 10:15 pm | #11

      To me, it’s the ridiculous double-standard our society has. If a charlatan gets rich by selling swamp land in Florida, they get charged criminally with fraud. If the charlatan gets rich selling all-natural snake oil, they get pretty much worshiped by uneducated fuckwits like Oprah and Jenny McCartny, if you’ll pardon the language.

      The other double-standard that astounds me is this: If one kid has a bad reaction to a vaccine and is hurt (and it happens… Vaccination is a medical procedure, so it’s not without risk*), people are clamouring to ban vaccines, but if hundreds of thousands are killed, either directly or indirectly, by “alternative” bunk like faith healing, exorcisms and homeopathy, not a peep. Oh, and if proponents of science-based medicine bring them up? We’re close-minded, or evil sadists in on a massive conspiracy, or something. *eyeroll*

      * though everything I’ve read suggests the risk from vaccination is insiginificant in comparison to the risks of actually catching the diseases they prevent.

  7. Allison
    January 29, 2011 at 12:22 am | #12

    My two favorite blogs are Respectful Insolence and The Asthma Mom :) . Sounds like we have some things in common. I saw Orac speak last year at the Northeast Skeptics conference in NYC. He was awesome.

    I live in CAM central up here in Vermont and really appreciate you sharing your mad debunking skillz. Inspires me to more actively do so whenever I see it around here.

    • January 29, 2011 at 12:32 am | #13

      I love Respectful Insolance! SkepChick, Skeptic North, and Pharyngula are pretty good, too. :)

      Incidentally… As I get closer to the end of my Master’s degree, I realise that being a scientist is rather like being a professional debunker, except that the ideas you’re trying to debunk are your own, and you have to find the evidence to prove yourself wrong through experiments. :)

  8. Richard Friedel
    February 2, 2011 at 4:26 pm | #14

    The comments here discounting views on Japanese breathing techniques involving increasing intraabdominal pressure to improve breathing do not accept that there is an asthma paradox, an ironical situation. This is contrary to medical views lamenting the great increase in asthma despite herculean efforts of doctors and researchers. modern symptomatic treatment, see http://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/f96719201ea758294c2565d700187e74/$FILE/asthma.pdf . See details pointing to the obviously scandalous increase with modern medication in various countries. See table 1 on page 7..

    At the risk of straying away from traditional doctor administered medical care for asthma based on patented medication, there is surely a case for scientifically investigating Asiatic and more especially the less “mind-body” based Japanese breath training. Is breath therapy any any more “mind-body” than other firns if OT?

    This is not CAM as exemplified by homeopathy, acupuncture, silly views on autism, quantum mechanics, mega doses of vitamin C etc.

    For a résumé of Japanese breathing (tanden breathing) see http://www.lrz.de/~s3e0101/webserver/webdata/OBT.pdf Cheers, Richard Friedel

    • February 2, 2011 at 5:12 pm | #15

      1. Define asthma paradox. There are several definitions for this term, any one of which refers to a different phenomenon. I assume you’re referring to the increase in asthma around the world, despite improvements in hygiene and disease control, but I’ve never seen that referred to as “the asthma paradox” before.

      If that IS what you’re referring to, calling it a paradox is incorrect, as it would imply that asthma is caused by disease and poor hygiene, when in fact, the underlying causes of asthma are not well understood. Increasing evidence, however, is mounting that asthma may have something to do with a malformed immune system caused by not enough exposure to parasites – which would fit nicely with the increase in asthma rates as parasitic infection rates decreased.

      Second, please point out where in here I deny this phenomenon exists. I do not. Please also explain how not believing that tapping into my chi will cure my asthma somehow denies the increase in asthma rates globally. I do not follow your logic.

      2) I agree, there is a case for investigating breathing techniques – and scientists around the world are investigating them as we speak. However, to date, none that I’m aware of have consistenly outperformed placebo in well-designed studies (if there’s a professional in the field who can correct or clarify this for me reading this, please do). Therefore, to my knowledge, there’s no case for applying these techniques in routine asthma treatment.

      3) That’s not a résumé of tanden breathing. It’s pdf describing it. It contains no studies or grounds to support your assertions.

      Please, prove me wrong by the standards of scientific debate. Bury me in your evidence – if it exists.

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